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The Detroit News: ‘Pope Francis insults Catholic youth’

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“If Pope Francis would ditch his habit of insulting faithful millennials, Hahn writes, he might begin to see more of them in the pews.”

In a December 5, 2016 article by, Nicholas G. Hahn III , The Detroit News sounds positively Remnant-esque:

Millennials are leaving religion in droves, recent surveys find. Churches are roiled, but it appears Pope Francis isn’t worried he may accelerate the exodus.

The “Who am I to judge?” pope recently told an interviewer that he has a hard time understanding why so many young Catholics worship in Latin on Sundays. “Why so much rigidity,” Francis asked. “This rigidity always hides something, insecurity or even something else.”

That represents an ugly departure from his predecessor, Benedict XVI, who allowed for wider use of the pre-Vatican II Mass in 2007. “What earlier generations held as sacred, remains sacred and great for us too,” the pope emeritus wrote, “and it cannot be all of a sudden entirely forbidden or even considered harmful.”

Then only a little over 200 Latin Masses were celebrated in the United States. That number has since more than doubled. The Massgoers aren’t a bunch of old anoraks, either. It’s millennials and hipsters who tend to prefer the smells and bells. READ ARTICLE HERE

REMNANT COMMENT: Mr. Hahn concludes with, “But if Francis would ditch his habit of insulting faithful millennials, he might begin to see more of them in the pews.” And that pretty much nails it. If Pope Francis the Humble would stop insulting, not just millennials, but everyone with whom he disagrees—and that seems to constitute most of the practicing Catholic world—maybe he wouldn’t be sliding quite so dramatically in the popularity department.

As it is, Francis remains popular only with the same ‘basket of deplorables’ that thought Hillary Clinton was great—the UN, Nancy Pelosi-type ‘Catholics’, CNN and the rest of the Far-Left.

But Hillary Clinton’s ‘wild popularity’ in the real world was mostly illusory, a media creation, just as Pope Francis’s popularity is turning out to be. People have had enough, as today’s story in The Detroit News illustrates yet again.

So now maybe we can all start praying for Pope Francis as we should have been doing all along, rather than trying to make him into something he’s not—a great pope. In fact, he’s the worst pope in history and desperately needs the prayers of his subjects who are growing increasingly alarmed by his pontificate.

 

 

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    The reason Francis employs the word choice in question is to desensitize the public to the graphic nature of the sex act homosexual men regularily participate in. In an effort at legitimizing this, he takes slow steps, but in all liklihood this is the motive behind his offense.

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    Please support the Benedictine Center in Massachulets and especially New Hampshire. The Benedictines are Traditional Catholics. I signed in to have a Mass said for someone who just deceased. The Priest I spoke with was extremely nice but after I made the arrangements there was a letter to anyone who lived in, I think it is Richmond, New Hampshire, either they are vat11 people or protestants who hate Catholics, I do not know. however, it was the most horrendous letter, absolutely vile regarding traditional Catholics …..look it up on your computer if you want to read unadulterated hate. And I would like those who are very good with words to reply and make them see how demonic their attitude is. God bless and pray for the Benedictine Centers, I understand Massachussetts is not a whole lot better. We need these Centers as they are the heart of the Church!!!

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    In the past, Popes promoting heresy were removed and excommunicated . . . and on the way out the door, he should take his cadre that comprise the liberal secular progressive, permissive and apostate Cardinals with him. That should leave a sufficient number of Cardinals to find a worthy successor to Pope St Pius X.

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    rigidity; def. faithfulness.

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    Francis is supporting the UN/Soros agenda: environmentalism, muslim emigration, fake news statements (about rings of pedophilia …)

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    As a former practicing homosexual, now Catholic and fully celibate, it is true that many facets of the gay sexual act go unspoken, and for good reason. The fact that Francis would use such word imagery (coprophlia) unhappily suggests a familiarily with it. Only close association with, as in actual practice, could acquaint, read: familiarise oneself, with such acts of depravity. Where else would a person learn about such a practice? It’s true though, in the heat of passion, people actually do this. Sad, but such baseness in conversation as he used evidences personal familiarity. Yes, sodomy often times involves this practice. Alas, Francis has unwittingly revealed more about himself than he intended.

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      Not necessarily. To learn of such practices, a priest need not have been a participant, but could have learned about it in many different ways, the most obvious of which might be in hearing confessions. In truth, as someone who has always been straight and have never had sexually oriented conversations with someone who is gay, I don’the even know what this practice is.

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      Way too much information. I didn’t want to know this 🙁

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      Indeed, what type of person even knows the meaning of these words? The mind boggles. The sooner Bergoglio goes the better. Even liberal Catholic outlets are now voicing unease, and that’s saying something.

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        Again it’s familiarity. Truckers have an acute sense of the quality of the diesel fuel mix they put in their tanks, bakers know when cakes are done by the smell. As a high schooler I experimented with drugs, to this day I can discern the distinct oder of marijuana from tobacco, opium from hashish, etc. For Francis to use such abstruse terminology shouldn’t be all that baffling, not inscrutable, nor puzzling. The Pope’s word usage is from the gay underworld, exclusively a gay thing, and it isn’t advertised, but in the gay community it isn’t a strange thing at all. Indeed, it’s part of the intimacy gay men experience. A heterosexual would never be exposed to this practice.

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          I’ve revisited this thread because, after some thought and prayer, there are some points which need to be raised. 1. This disgusting practice is not limited to the dark corners of the homosexual community. It occurs among heterosexual as well, although perhaps with less frequency and among fewer persons. 2. Psychologists seem to generally lump the practice in with other acts of sado-masochism. 3. It is far less a form of “intimacy” than a way of establishing and maintaining dominance over one’s sexually “partner”.

          The 4th point is actually the most important. I have not read the article, but the quoted statement by Francis later in this thread suggests that the focus of this discussion has been totally distorted, twisted and sinfully insinuated the existence of attributes of Pope Francis for which there is no concrete evidence. Earlier in this thread a poster claimed a person would have no knowledge of the terms employed by Francis in the quote. However, both terms and their definitions can be found in a good dictionary. A careful and unbiased reading of the quote will strongly reveal the very real possibility that Francis was using these terms to avoid expressing his sentiments in a more vulgar way. For the sake of clarity, I will use the more common and vulgar expression: My interpretation of the statement by Pope Francis is that he was basically saying “The media dishes up crap (sh**) and the public (people) gobble it up, especially those who relish every little tidbit of gossip and scandal” if my take on his statement is accurate, those of us who are conservative will tend to agree. In the US the liberal media has been doing this for decades and a great many Americans appear to take the media’s rubbish for gospel truth..

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            Thank you Mike44R. I do think that sort of language is most inappropriate for a pope….he needs to wash his mouth out with soap….but also we shouldn’t forget that different national/cultural backgrounds express themselves differently and what is considered beyond the pale in one language is normal in another. French people say things that we don’t say in English…or it sounds bad if we do….Italians also…generally Mediterranean languages are more colourful in their expressions. Every language has its quirky expressions. I tend to think this has more to do with Pope Francis not wanting to change…still being himself…after becoming pope….and that in itself is a problem…because he now needs to be above his local origins and deal with the whole world in an appropriate manner. Talking ghetto talk on the world stage demeans the dignity of his office. I don’t like it any more than anyone else, but I think people are reading too much into it.

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              I think Francis used the terms to express his thoughts in a polite way while simultaneously being very emphatic. He could have said the same thing in a different way, but I doubt another wording would have conveyed his irritation as well.

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            Good attempt at putting the polish onto a bad apple. Can you imagine Jesus using imagery as filthy, as obscene, as perverse as Francis has in this specific idiom of speech? The suggestion that sado-masochism is attendant with these aforementioned homosexual behaviors is frankly incorrect. The practice is common, certainly not talked about, and goes hand in hand with the majority of gay male sexual encounters. That a priest would hear this level of intimacy from a parishioner in confession then use the concept in ordinary conversation is laughable, read: impossible. Difficult to digest but said word usage suggests personal experience with it. Minimizing sin in an attempt at normalizing it is a common thing, it lessens the guilt if we can encourage others to somehow feel an awkward empathy with it. He certainly wouldn’t be the first gay priest to unconsciously betray an inner turbulence by letting slip indicators like this.

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    I was going to make a long post trying to make a short point, but really, all I care to say is: “Lord God, please take this scourge away”.

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    Judge Napolitano:
    “I am sighing because the Holy Father is a challenge for traditionalist Roman Catholics, of which I am one. …..
    This particular Pope, who has proclaimed himself a Peronist, is somewhere between a communist with a lowercase ‘c’ and a Marxist with an uppercase ‘M’.” Sept 15, 2015.

    Peron/Peronism:
    Right-wing socialism. ‘Christian and humanist, popularist, national socialism, corporatism.’

    Karl Marx:
    “Thus heaven I’ve forfeited,
    I know it full well.
    My soul, once true to God,
    Is chosen for hell.”

    JMJ

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    The neo-Catholic confectioners who have been dishing out the “Fake News” about the ‘humble Pope Francis who loves the poor, who forgives perverts and adulterers out of Kasperian Mercy” have just found out what he really thinks of them and it’s not: “Let Them Eat Cake”.
    http://arstechnica.com/tech-po…

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    Note you can find priests emails on diocesan websites.

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    Prayer is good but we cannot lose our minds – we must judge. (Yes!)
    Prayer will sideline a huge mass of Internet soldiers.
    We need more people emailing everywhere with links to this Remnant and supporting blogs contained in the email.
    Just like this..

    www.fatima.org

    http://voxcantor.blogspot.ie/

    http://www.onepeterfive.com/

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.c…

    https://mundabor.wordpress.com…

    http://eponymousflower.blogspo…

    Today email TEN priests in your diocese with these links. Everybody.
    If 1 thousand people each email 100 priests over the next week, that is 20% of all ordained in the whole world.
    (assuming not too much duplication.)
    Praying for this pope is not good advice. He is too evil.

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      Your last sentence is wrong! And, in itself, is evil. It is ONLY God who can truly conquer evil (Hitler lost WWII because of God. Without God, America and much of the rest of the world would today be radioactive ruins — the Nazis were THAT close to producing a nuclear weapo). Therefore, prayer for those who do evil things is ALWAYS good and meritorious. Prayers for the conversion of the modernists, including this pope, is not only good advice, but necessary and even required by God.

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    I’ve been praying for this pope for a long time – that he leaves the papacy. By his own admission, he’s said he’s never going to change, and now almost 4 years into it, he’s proven that time and time again.

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      This is not directed at this particular post, but to a great many of them in this thread. Regardless of what we think of Francis’ comments and behaviors, we are required by God Himself to treat EVERY person with at least a basic level of decency and respect. That includes Francis. Also, since he was licitly elected to the chair of Peter, he is owed a somewhat higher level of respect and deference due, not to himself, but to the office he holds. He is, after all, until the Holy Spirit leads the Church to remove him, the Vicar of Christ and, therefore, presumably, chosen by Our Lord. It has been said that the priest sex abuse scandal was a chastisement given the Church by God. Francis may be part of that chastisement — a wakeup call to truly faithful Catholics — all of us; clergy, religious and laity. The Lord HAS promised a remnant of faithful people, but that faithfulness is not just to the trappings of Catholicism, but to God Himself and living with heartfelt and soul penetrating integrity and devotion the teachings He has given us down through the ages, including obedience to His Will, His Wishes and His laws. Jesus tells us to take the plank out of our own eye before trying to remove the splinter from another’s eye. We need to follow that instruction.

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    The descent of this papacy into an AliceInWonderland rabbit hole continues.
    Two days ago, the Vicar of Christ used the words “coprophagia” and “coprophlia” during a public press interview.
    Look up these words in Webster’s.
    The repulsive meanings of these terms will make you weep for this very troubled priest.
    What sort of man talks like this?
    Blessed Mother have mercy on him and us on this holy feast day.

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      What stunned me was that Pope Francis is convinced that people have a tendency for such a perversity. What is wrong with this man’s mind?

      “I believe that the media should be very clear, very transparent, and not fall prey—without offence, please—to the sickness of coprophilia, which is always wanting to communicate scandal, to communicate ugly things, even though they may be true,” he told Belgian Catholic weekly newspaper Tertio. “And since people have a tendency towards the sickness of coprophagia, it can do great harm.”—-( Pope Francis )

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        XcuseMe ? So, His Holiness believes that people are born with some sort of habitual attraction to ? That’s crazy ! Looks like he completely lost his mind . I am sending help immediately

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          Since I’m in a particularly charitable mood this evening, I’m going to find a pastoral interpretation of PF’s excrement attraction comment, and after careful study and reflection, I conclude that he’s talking about those who are habitually attracted to modernist b.s.
          There can be no other sensible interpretation, si?

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            Bovine excrement would have been an appropriate allusion. But to say “people have a tendency” is rather an offensive and general statement, wouldn’t you agree?

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              This statement from the Pope worries me . There is another meaning in the statement as well, that concerns me more.
              “which is always wanting to communicate scandal, to communicate ugly things, even though they may be true,”
              He says, ‘even though they may be true’, I think this infers hide the truth, even if it is ugly!! This is the attitude that gave birth to the sex scandals and pedophilia cover-ups which have desecrated God’s Holy Altars! By that I mean, these priests have come from abusing a child and then they dare to go to the altar and then abuse the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ. I seriously wonder how The Father can stand this blasphemy any longer. It is truly a heart breaker. It seems to me the clergy have lost the meaning and purpose of the Priesthood Of Jesus Christ and the fact that they no longer belong only to themselves. Prayer is really the only way forward and whatever calamity hits our Earth, can we really dare to complain?? For me I think not.

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      Goodness gracious ! Does His Holiness really think that it’s absolutely necessary for me to know what some of his priests do for ” fun ” on Friday nights ? Seriously !

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    The latest outrage from the Papal lips is an insult to anyone with a weak stomach and must make even his most deranged admirers cringe for a few seconds. I know about his deranged admirers – I have several in my parish who seem impervious to evidence and are enraged at any criticism.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/n…

    As Rod Dreher comments in “American Conservative”

    “I know I’m the sort of person Francis would call “rigid,” but I think we could all stand a bit more rigidity from this guy. Whoever thought they would live to see the day when the Roman pontiff gave an interview in which he raised the subject eating poo for sexual pleasure?”

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    Would that he would just disappear!

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    Did the Devil play the last card with this pope? Is the world slowly turning back to common sense? Not to long ago Francois Hollande declared socialism to not work.

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    What’s particularly maddening about Francis is his gross illiteracy! As with Pelagianism, he doesn’t seem to have any idea what the word rigidity means. Millennials are not Catholics who have been raised to worship in the Tridentine tradition. The exact opposite is true for 99% of them. They have come to embrace the Tridentine mass voluntarily. So what on earth are they being rigid about? It astonishes the mind what can emerge from the mouth of this very stupid man.

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      Liberals all tend towards projection. It is he who is being rigid. Rigidly tolerant to the point of intolerance.

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      He is SUPPOSED to LOVE his millennial sheep, not imagine them at a Carvery of Poo!

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      If one accepts all of Begoglio’s ‘do as I say’ dictats without “looking at the other side”, wouldn’t that make one a Pelagian and rigid?

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      I can’t defend him anymore!
      He is just bitter. Because he thought he was hip and inspired from God to attract youth, but it turns out he wasn’t inspired by God and his ways simply not work, he has been tricked.
      He needs some rigidity himself too, imposed on himself, like I suggest strict fasting on Mondays, for the Holy Angels, and praying to the Archangels to help him out. I don’t think he is stupid. I think he’s .. how to put it politely… under influence.
      I feel very sorry for him because the grip he’s under is very tight obviously.

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    Just as the force of gravity is ultimately irresistible–what goes up must come down–so will the NO ultimately succumb to the force of TLM of the Ages. If the Second Coming doesn’t come first, someday the current 50 years post-V2–and however many more elapse before the Church returns to Her sanity–will be looked on by the faithful (clergy included) as a period of gross aberration.

    This will not likely happen during my lifetime, nor possibly during those of my children or grandchildren. But it will happen. I have been saying this for many years.

    When what I predict comes to pass, a few feckless die-hards and trendies will occasionally trot out the NO to “celebrate”: like the pathetic museum piece that it will have become by then.

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      “ust as the force of gravity is ultimately irresistible–what goes up must come down–so will the NO ultimately succumb to the force of TLM of the Ages”
      Yep, reality has a way of showing itself. I am sure all those bishops, priests and laity had big dreams about the Novus Ordo. They now look all feeble and confused, and the new generation (as well as those who held on to the faith) want absolutely nothing to do with them. It’s not healthy to be around the sick unless one wants to become sick as well.

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    PF is insulting everybody including Jesus Christ and the saints, why not the youth? His narcissism motivates him to attack and scapegoat to others. You know who is the father of narcissism?

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    It’s my impression that Pope Francis wants to see the pews empty. He can’t stand Catholics and can’t stand the Catholic Church. The time for us to appeal to his better nature is long past. You can’t appeal to what he doesn’t have.

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    Hmmm…I wonder if any relation to Dr. Scott Hahn? God bless~

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    If such data exists, I would love to find an accurate ration of TLM Churches that are opening, to N.O. Churches that are closing down (sometimes to be reopened as TLM Churches, I’m sure). So far, I have only attended one TLM Church since it is the only one near me, but one thing I noticed at that Church was how many more young families are there with lots of beautiful little ones wiggling in the pews, as compared to any of the countless N.O. parishes over the years. So, at least anecdotally, it seems that some of the of families and young people who are bailing out of the N.O. Churches indeed finding the TLM.

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      One of the churches in Reading, England is in a interesting transition period. 900am is the N.O. English Mass with a wide age range, but a heavy emphasis on the Ageing Hippie generation. 1100am Mass is in Latin, courtesy of the Confraternity of St Peter, and attracts loads of large families with young children who come from near and far. Our clueless parish priest (very ageing hippy generation) can’t understand why the 1100am attracts young people, including those from the nearby university.

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        I am so very happy to hear that, William. I am on the slightly younger end of the Aging Hippie generation, and it still is a mystery to me how so many from that era still seem to be stuck in that idiotic ’60’s-early ’70’s mental morass. But I think your observation is another strong indication that as my generation passes on, hopefully taking all of its imbecilities with it, so will go N.O. and the Vat II novelties.

         

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Michael Matt has been an editor of The Remnant since 1990. Since 1994, he has been the newspaper’s editor. A graduate of Christendom College, Michael Matt has written hundreds of articles on the state of the Church and the modern world. He is the host of The Remnant Underground and Remnant TV’s The Remnant Forum. He’s been U.S. Coordinator for Notre Dame de Chrétienté in Paris–the organization responsible for the Pentecost Pilgrimage to Chartres, France–since 2000.  Mr. Matt has led the U.S. contingent on the Pilgrimage to Chartres for the last 24 years. He is a lecturer for the Roman Forum’s Summer Symposium in Gardone Riviera, Italy. He is the author of Christian Fables, Legends of Christmas and Gods of Wasteland (Fifty Years of Rock ‘n’ Roll) and regularly delivers addresses and conferences to Catholic groups about the Mass, home-schooling, and the culture question. Together with his wife, Carol Lynn and their seven children, Mr. Matt currently resides in St. Paul, Minnesota.

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